We Wouldn’t Survive the HUNGER GAMES | Book 1 Review & Summary | Bonus Minisode

Welcome to Ashley & Liz’s dystopian sci fi episode bonus series: The Hunger Games!

If you’ve been following along and watched our “From 1984 to Hunger Games” dystopian themes in media and literature episode then you know we’re fascinated with everything about this genre and needed to delve into this discussion! It just happens to be a BIG bonus that Ashley had never read it before. Watch here | https://youtu.be/Ns4E87T36KQ?si=P0wXBSgyvRkNAABd

The debate currently on the book talk table is whether or not books (and the act of reading) are inherently political. We’d encourage anyone who has a doubt in their mind to read this series… it’s timely, powerful, and a story that will rip your soul right out. The perfect cocktail for the reading obsessed.

Episode 1 covers book 1: The Hunger Games by Suzanne Collins. The first five-ish minutes are spoiler free with our one sentence rapid star reviews. Then we jam pack this mini episode with an entire plot summary in five sentences (with a special surprise of course!), discuss what our faves and fail characters and plot points are, our feelings, notable quotes, and end with a fun piece of Hunger Games trivia.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Spoiler Free Intro
• 3:40 What this Hunger Game Minisode Series Will Entail
• 13:23 Hunger Games Book 1 Reviews
• 16:50 Hunger Games Book Summary and Deep Dive
• 24:23 Favorite and Least Favorite Things In Hunger Games
• 54:40 Notable Hunger Games Quotes
• 57:40 Dystopian Themes in Hunger Games
• 1:00:03 Surprise Questions!
• 1:09:00 Hunger Games Fun Fact

Transcript

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[Music] welcome to the besties in the books podcast guys sorry for your ears and we're here sorry for your ears we're together who are you hey who are you I'm Liz and I'm Ashley and welcome to the best SE in the books podcast we are here to kick off The Hunger Games mini SS there going to be six of them did we already do one was dystopian counted in that now I'm confusing no it was a full length episode but released on Tuesday so here we are on Friday yes for minisode one yes so if you missed that dystopian episode that'll be linked in the description box of course um you know that kind of goes over just like the history and the lore of dystopia books and media as a whole came from yeah where it came from just like not like too much of a deep dive that's like okay here's a history lesson like here we go but like uh you know you know how we do it you guys know how you do we do it here you know we do it and we do it we act like we know what we're talking about but we really don't and then you guys tell us we don't and then we say we know we don't but we had fun doing it so thanks but no really it is interesting super fun yeah and then you know always some Millennial Nostalgia built in there of course but this episode we are officially talking about Hunger Games now we are digesting book one this was lizz's first time rereading it yeah since like 15 years ago or whenever it came out it's been a long time I don't remember maybe not that long but it's been a long time yeah yeah yeah and then this is my first time reading it ever so ever like that's crazy to me that's me staring off into the void like balling my eyes out spoiler yeah I was looking so forward to seeing all of Ashley's reactions but yeah I got to relive everything too so that was equally as um I think traumatizing if you guys don't know and I'm going off script here okay as if we ever stay on yeah Hunger Games is releasing their fifth book yeah so there's the original trilogy um So Hunger Games Catching Fire mocking jay So today we're going to be covering the Hunger Games book one um and then there is a ballot of song birds and snakes which is a prequel having to do with President Snow and then sunrise on the reaping is the new book so technically book five and that comes out on March 18th yeah so we're ramping up for that if you've been listening to us first of all thank you so much if you were like me and never read Hunger Games jail I should be there prison full life sentence you guys my mind is blown I'm obsessed please read it especially amping up for this new release you this because I feel likez I've been talking about it she's here visiting me in case you didn't know we're together live in person we have a whole setup too so you need to go check out the YouTube channel because we fully Doven hunger Flames the hunger flame just came up with that on the Fly Flames everywhere it's very moody and we're obsessed so come check us out there on YouTube best in the books podcast of course it's the same episode just visually you can see it yeah anyways just read it yeah just do it I mean I remember remember telling you like when we were kind of cuz you know Ashley and I will have our random conversations where we try to figure out like okay what authors do we want to interview in the future like what book series do we want to read for many episode series and I was like dude we should do the Hunger Games and I remember originally you were kind of like I don't know and I'm like no seriously I think that you would love the Hunger Games and you're like it seems like maybe not and I'm like really though like I cannot believe that you would not love this series so I'm so glad that we were here because too it's so worth it and I feel like reading it now affected me in completely different ways than reading it back in my whatever early mid 20s so yeah oh that's what it was I was going to say we feel like nobody's really talking about The Hunger Games right now which is weird with this next release coming out so we want to suck you all in and tell you to read it if you haven't re read it if you have listen I know it's hard but just do it and it's not hard like it's not hard they if you love your soul getting ripped out just do it okay but like yeah and if it's your first time reading you're like I don't know if I want to like in you like I read each one in like a day and a half so you can't help you can't help but read them in a day and a half they're not long I mean most of them like um the original trilogy each book is like Max 400 pages I think um and it's ya but it's like a different level of ya like it's just in my opinion like what sets the bar for me for all ya um so you know if you're thinking like I don't know it might drag yeah it might take me a little while I don't have a whole lot of time to read extra stuff right now whatever like it'll just it'll suck you in I could have read them all I remember the original time that I read the trilogy um my friend let me borrow them and I think I just read them back to back like in one like two-day weekend um that you know was back when I had more time yeah um but I could have done the same thing again had it not been for you know grown up responsibilities and work and whatnot so you'll just fly through them you will just do it this is like our freaking unsponsored like plea to you guys just read it you guys like books just do it yep mhm so okay Suzanne Collins wrote this um I'm sure all of you guys know that at this point um but you know here we are we're going to be covering book one since this is a minoda will be a little bit shorter of an episode so you know we will be spoiler-free but generally for maybe only the first like five five to 10ish minutes depending on how many tangents we go off on in the first episode you know we're here we're here setting up the scene so you know and so you know if you guys have been around for many episode series in the past you kind of know how it works um but we'll lay the groundwork here on this first episode for anyone who might be new here um so we like to kind of like set the groundwork with an introductory episode so it's what Ashley was mentioning before so we kind of have a theme lots of times going for different um mini episode series so like we did Twilight that was vampires obviously um Harry Potter we don't really have to tell you the theme for that cuz it's basically just like everyone's childhood that's the theme um you no we did a whole um satanic Panic episode that was our kick epod that's true because like if you were like us and there was a lot things that were banned for us Harry Potter being one of them we kind of did it a deep dive of like why our parents might have been Banning books like that and other things and the whole hysteria that was going on at the time Wizards and Magic yeah yeah being afraid of wizards afraid very afraid your your child will turn into a wizard we wish um anyway where's my owl dang it I know so no so this one we kind of wanted to go off on um obviously a dystopian theme so as we talked about before our last full length episode um that just came out was about dystopias um you know when were they first when was that term first used in literature by whom what did it mean how did this evolve um you know into popular dystopian books that maybe you know most of us are familiar with like 1984 Brave New World The Giver um and how did we get from there to here with series like The Hunger Games Divergent Maze Runner Etc more in that like ya kind of Zone um so check that out if you haven't checked that out yet just to kind of like set the scene MH um and then yeah today we're going to be getting into uh more of like a reaction Style video we do our five sentence summary yeah which you know I feel like for these books is actually was probably the easiest for me to do because we'll talk about that but these books there's just like always something happening but it's all really important to the plot yeah which is great there's not a whole lot of side quests going on um so we'll do that and then we'll talk about all of our fa our likes dislikes share some fun facts yeah all that kind of good stuff yep do all of that so before we get into that we just want to say thank you for being here dude thank you so much for being here if you've watched us you know our normal videos go up on Tuesdays and these bonus mini episodes will be brought to you every Friday so we try to keep them mini on Fridays but you know we do like to talk about our books so you know we try to keep it around half an hour 45 minutes sometimes it's an hour it just depends how much there is to talk about so but make sure your notifications are turned on anywhere you like to listen to your favorite podcast including YouTube besties in the books podcast subscribe follow there turn the notifications on so you actually get notified because they're always kind of iffy about notifications so but if you're wondering like hey where are they are they posting stuff you know you can also check us out on Instagram and Tik Tok we keep you guys informed there of all of our episodes too best's in the books podcast there and we also have fables up of The Hunger Game so if you're like oh shoot I want to read it too but you guys already read this book you people are always jumping on to Fable and diving into it which is a free app that you can download on your phone and check out Bes in the book club that's where we're at Bes in the book club it's always doesn't flip Bes is in the book club yeah best's in the book club and we have all of the books on there already you know Ashley and I have already read everything except for the new book um but and we're like just started right now at filming this we just started the ballad of s probably are done by time this a but yeah I mean the point is it's like you guys can hop on whenever you want um you know it's all spoiler-free cuz it's comment chapter by chapter you can interact with each other interact with us um and I mean that makes it super fun we also have templates available on Instagram if you guys want to post your reading updates there and tag Us in it um and you know all this is leading up to sunrise on the reaping releasing so that we could all read that together yes which is going to be so exciting and then our final episode will cover um our kind of wrap-up thoughts and then also the movies yeah which we're starting already right now seeing like comparity because you little backgr of what I knew of the H games Liz already read it and loved the movies right saw it loved it obsessed I watched the movie when it first came out a million years ago what do you see 2012 so 201 long time ago now and I was like okay you know it's it's cool but like I wasn't I did not get any like deepness from it whatsoever or emotional turmoil um so that was kind of the Contex I have I have bits and pieces in my memory of maybe one or two or part two or three maybe but like it's very fuzzy and I thought I had tried reading it but we're come to find out there is no way in this green earth that I could have started this and been like eh yeah so it wasn't that book I thought this whole time I tried Hunger Games and didn't really love it but I was wrong it must have been a different Series so I'm glad you changed my mind here I'm on the campaign everybody else's who's been on the fence yeah oh and you know just to kind of throw this in there too before we kind of dive into book one is you know Ashley and I are always open to uh ideas for future mini book series and we've had a couple of you guys email us with some ideas which we really appreciate you know we have kind of like a loose schedule of what we're hoping to do in the future but if you guys suggest something really cool then you know maybe we could change that out yeah um so yeah if you have any ideas shoot us a DM or an email for sure ah these are so fun to do yeah it could be anything series you loved as a kid you know something ya something that's coming out now whatever think of us as like your book club that like you have no time agenda for you know because we're a virtual book club like first and foremost like you can and read at your own pace Choose Your Own Adventure and then you always have like our wrap-up videos that if you're still reading the book and you can't get to it that day you know like a traditional book club would be you're like oh shoot I still half the book to read you know you can pop it you can save it to a playlist and watch it when you're done reading the book and it's kind of like our little vent sesh of like getting all of the thoughts out there and we love it when you guys comment along with us DM us whatever because we want to hear your guys' thoughts too on all these books yeah and I think you know I love covering books that are new and exciting and getting a lot of hype but I think that like a lot of the books that made us whether that be elementary school middle school high school college or even whatever like whenever they came out and they just changed our lives made us love reading whatever it is it's like I feel like those don't really get enough credit in the like social media podcast space and so we're here to cover the those things for you guys too yeah for sure because those are they're exciting yeah yeah yeah like Hunger Games yeah okay so let's give our spoiler free star rating one sentence review and this is going to just be covering book one The Hunger Games okay okay what do we keep it at one sentence yep I know I did not write this one down I didn't either I never write it down yeah I'm just going off of my vibes and emotions but I try to make it not spoiler yet for those that are waiting to find out if you want to read it five stars for Ashley all around five stars for everyone holy hell Batman the way my heart was wow ripped out into I'm trying to keep it not spoilery um okay don't overthink it if you would like a book that can make you feel something that you didn't even know you could feel for things you didn't even have enough feelings for that's sweet trying to be so big okay giving and receiving and receiving loving and laughing um no dude okay you're there it's crazy holy crap okay if you watch the movies this is the worst review of all time uh one sentence be damned um it's so good to read it okay you just read it goodbye goodbye um okay so five stars for me as well um I would say my one sentence summary review would just be if you're looking for something extremely fast-paced full of action easy to digest easy to read um but that still has an incredible amount of depth important themes character development Etc this is a book series for you ditto boom there we go and uh zero spice I don't I you know we'll put it out there just because we always make sure to give the spice rating but this is ya and it is truly a zero spice yeah yep so there you go anything to add wow wow I'm still reeling and I finished this two weeks ago you guys yeah I had read it before and I still I think I enjoyed it more this time you know I think us saying like demanding you guys to read it kind of says it all yeah yeah totally yeah if you read it too like I did a long time ago you know and you're like maybe like I don't need to reread it I don't know it hits different as a early 20s versus mid-30s perspective yeah it hits different depending on the political climate we're in it just it's read it just read it just read it you'd know that going into it it is hard to you know but it's also important to see parallels and such you know yeah I think that I put that in the script and then forgot to say it earlier it's you know I feel like this is a really good example of um for anyone who may be of the belief that books aren't political read The Hunger Games yeah and tell me they're not yeah see if maybe that could help change your perspective a little bit on that yeah keep an open mind so okay well I guess it's time for us to get into some spoilers yeah let's do it bubo what even was that I feel like usually it's like themed but I have no idea you know my brain melted after reading the Hunger Games it is no more Ashley just like sorry I can't think anymore so here we are that's what that means in case you don't know I make a compelling crazy sound to jar you awake y just S I want anybody I want anybody nobody's ever said hey you tell me spoilers are coming so yeah give us that credit it's true they know I mean these came out a while ago obviously but hey like we want to give everyone the opportunity to exit if you haven't read it yet I was so glad that I barely remember anything about the movies spoilers would significantly not ruin the series but it would affect your perception of everything with the series it's like the twists and turns are excellent try not to ruin them for yourself yeah mhm for sure and the and the movies you might be thinking well I've already seen the movies no just push them out of your brain and then it's not I haven't we we're only literally halfway we are old people so we have have to only watch half a movie at a time yeah and then so we watched half a movie last night and it's still like it's so surface level it's great but it's not anywhere near the complexities that are involved in this book but yet it's still fastpaced and easy to digest you're not like okay mundane it's not it's not mundane at all so I miss like I mean Peta is the best example like I thought he was a sniveling annoying little boy MH and this book it's so much more complicated than that and he's not that at all so yeah totally and we'll talk about that too cuz I mean like the first time that I read them and watched them I had a completely different perception of pea than I have now yeah so hey you know we grow we grow and mature and learn yeah yeah true okay so uh the five sentence summary that was born of Harry Potter and has made it all the way here Shall We Begin we shall all right I'm ready okay okay so five sentence summary of hunger G Hunger Games book one is that big enough that's what she said is for anybody only listening this is why you need to watch the videos this is for you that's a little teaser okay I have a full length full size Casio keyboard board that I just pulled in front of me um you know to give Liz encouragement encouragement need the encouragement the five sentence summary this is her little reward every time she does a sentence for those that are new here it's I mean it's really we the triangle we've had the gong now we have the Casio Keyboard mhm and we practiced yeah it's going to be good it's going to be a good time okay all right all right here we go five sentence summary of The Hunger Games book one are you ready for this yeah for you guys okay Katniss everine lives in a postapocalyptic version of the US called PanAm in district 12 the coal mining district with her younger sister Prim and her mother who has become a doctor of sorts after living many years in a cat he ruined it already no keyboard for in a catatonic state after her husband died in a coal mine Explosion oh that's so satisfying it's so satisf you guys don't even try to act like it's not that is so good it's good it's extra good we just really want you to feel like you're there in not scary way feel do you feel it yeah okay all right you feel it Katniss yeah one okay Katniss hunts and gathers with her best friend Gail outside of the fences with bows and arrows her deceased father taught her to use in order to keep her family alive the capital extra s resources from the districts while letting them starve and live in squalor this is great time I'm so happy every time it is good it's great okay every year the capital randomly chooses one boy and one girl to compete in The Hunger Games a highly televised form of entertainment in which children are placed inside an arena to battle to the death amongst other horrific challenges in order to secure their place as the victory for their District the games were designed to keep the districts from Rebellion because this was a result of the last[Music] Uprising things just got serious yeah mhm okay so that was three we're on four okay Peta the baker boy who showed Katniss Mercy when she was starving and Katniss after she volunteers for Prim are chosen and taken to the capital to compete where they spend just as much time with with their mentors Effie and haitch and their stylist C on their public personas and constructed romantic relationship as preparing to[Music] fight that's four I don't know how you're going to wrap this up you only got one more I know all right watch I just like literally didn't write the ending I just forgot it I'm just kid okay after several days of survival and combat in the arena in which the capital announced that one District's tribute suits not one Victor will win Peta and Katniss are the final two left when the game makers change their mind but rather than fighting they decide to both eat poison berries and die the capital scrambles and announces they are both winners before they kill themselves and begrudgingly and ominously let them go back to District 12 as Victors oh we're just going to stare into the camera at you into your soul oh what a ride what a wild ride that's what I think one of the things I really appreciate about these books is like I feel like when I've written the five sentence summary for almost every other book that we've done that on I have to sift through about 10,000 side quest to figure out what the important facts are and I feel like with The Hunger Games I mean these books are 3 to 400 Pages there no there's no time for side quests and we don't need them because it's like the main content is so important so I don't know like uh effectively what's the word I'm looking for like impactful that like we don't need all that yeah I mean and you just you you guys are in the spoiler section you read the book we're just giv a refresher yeah and there's other things we're going to talk about that aren't covered in the five sentences that you know are faves and Fa in least favorite parts and like you know yeah just everything all that deep dive but yeah so that's a good gist good job one more for you there you go thumbs up good job yay that was nice I loved that first things first I'm AIS throwback song yes we're serious we're serious yes um what was your favorite part of book one honestly probably when Katniss shot the Apple into the no yeah in the pig's mouth you know yeah when the game makers were SC them and they wer paying atten to her what a badass moment and the symbolism in that moment too her act of defiance cuz she like is she lost her temper and she's just like f it whatever like what do me day me now instead of tomorrow like you do so it was iconic I mean obviously when she took her sister's place you know too that was very iconic it was okay let's talk about that for just one second when she took her place because watching the movie a million years ago it didn't it I like I knew it happened but it didn't seem that emotional to me for some reason it's just like okay you know she's 18 her sister's 12 it's her first year you don't have all that context of the fact that her name was only in it once and Katniss's was in it like 30 times or something because they're giving their name in for an extra bag of rice or grain or whatever like is a really important exactly it's really important and the odds are like not stacked against PR you know they say the odds ever in your favor and it feels rigged cuz it's like how did this 12-year-old girl that only has her name in there once end up getting pulled when catniss is in there so it's like you don't get all that with the movie where the book I was already balling you know and we w we rewatched that scene yesterday and I still I was like still not emotionally I knew it I knew the context now having read the book but I was balling when she put her in there you know when she took her place and and what it meant for the capital to allow it to happen and like them speaking behind the scenes and like oh is this allowed you know and and everybody's emotions being felt in that moment even them putting their three fingers up which is like such an iconic moment yeah yeah yeah there's a lot of symbolism so much more impactful for me reading it yeah well and I think too is like okay so there's this idea that essentially like you're Trad you're you're choosing to put your name in there more times so that your family won't starve yeah um which is a situation that was created by the capitals greed MH right off the bat yeah so it's like they're creating this systemic problem and then you have to like navigate that by essentially risking your life more and more yeah so it's like this idea of like trading your life potentially you know just to also to live more in the moment for longer do you know what I mean like you know what I'm trying to say so there's that factor but then there's also like the fact that I think in the book we see a bigger picture of you know Katniss and prim's dad died in the coal mines serving the capital serving the capital um you know which put her their mother into a really deep depression where she was not really able to function so then Katniss is forced to go out and essentially like keep the family alive with her hunting which she could be killed for because they're not allowed to technically do that but then you know then there's all these other factors about how lots of times the peacekeepers the people who are supposed to be enforcing the rules are actually buying the game that she's hunting so it's like this whole like they're semi oppressed as well and you have all that story built up quickly before the name is even drawn yeah yeah so it kind of just shows how it's like there's a lot more at stake here than I feel like necessarily gets depicted in the movie like we just have a lot more they only have so much time but like yeah yeah it's definitely so far my quick hot take is like the movie was designed for people that already had the context of the book you know or people that just want something for entertainment which is a problem in and of itself it's so far kind of breezing over all the systemic issues and yeah I think that it builds up to that but yeah we'll talk about that more I I'm only halfway into the first one yeah um I put the same thing for my favorite part I just put um Katniss's ax of resistance I think that what I love about Katniss's character is that she inherently symbolizes resistance without her trying yes and I think that what's important about that is that over time because at this point this Hunger Games was the 74th right okay so this has been going on now for 74 years so it kind of shows like through Katniss's character specifically that resistance becomes an inherent part of life to survive under a t i mean I'm just going to call it out under a tyrannical government like this yeah because as a person who's oppressed in these ways you have no way to survive but to Rebel yeah um for most people and so I think that that is what I really liked about Katniss's character it's not like she got up one day and is like I'm going to you know be the leader of this resistance I'm going to you know do X Y and Z to try to rile up the crowds you know it's like no that didn't happen just her very Act of choosing to survive is an act of rebellion an act of resistance and so every little thing that she does whether it be literally going outside of the fence to hunt a rabbit so that she and her family can live through another day is made to be Criminal by a government that does not want people to thrive yeah and so self-sufficient exactly want to be relied on completely yeah and so I think that yeah shooting the Apple you know um in the mouth of the pig at the thing that you were just talking about um you know taking her sister's place even though she you know that had never done before in district 12 at least that we know of um yeah just all those moments M of her choosing you know obviously at the ending when she has the poison berries and they're choosing to both go out with a bang instead of let the capital win like you know that got everything started yeah yeah so that's also what I put Katniss's acts of resistance throughout the whole book so what about if you had to pick something you didn't like your least favorite thing okay um so I love this book through and through so I'm going to pick the most brutal part for me that was so terrible that was technically my least favorite part CU I didn't enjoy having to read this but it needed to be done MH yeah ruse's death I was literally ugly crying scream crying throwing up crying balling my eyes eyes out I'll never forget the entire scene the flowers the singing the bread that her District sent to Katniss as a thank you for honoring her body and not just abandoning her like I have chills right now because like yeah again with all the symbolism like that that moment represented and it's funny I love that you brought up that thing about cat cuz I was going to talk about it as my favorite character even though that's like obvious but that she's so different than any other characters that we typically read about is like a badass MMC because it's all semi accidental yeah she's not actively trying to cause a rebel movement a resistance it's just like you said it's the act of surviving it's Act of like kind of common decency and like oh well like okay I'm just going to you know I'm going to honor this person that you know I was Allied with for just a day like 24 hours or something and that was a sign of something totally different to the capital you know and she is becoming this symbolic thing for the rebel movement or whatever the resistance if you will and it doesn't even she's not even trying to you know she's she's kind of selfish in a way you know she's making all these decisions for herself or for you know her sister family to survive and that's cuz we hear a little bit about how as a kid she was like against you know she saw that the capital was messed up and her mom is like dude no like we can't talk like that you know so she kind of suppressed that and she knew it was bad but she knew what what am I going to do there's been 74 Hunger Games what am I going to do you know I have no power I have nothing and she's not out there trying to secretly train to like take them down she's just surviving yeah so that is what I loved so much about her representation and so yeah the act with Rue while it was so brutal to read about you know it was so necessary was another Act of resistance MH I mean even I feel like you could probably go so far as to say that like she was actively trying not to Rebel yeah she didn't want to get in trouble she want to get her family killed yeah well and I mean Gail who you know we'll talk about that as this series goes on but Gail really represents more of like the um you know radical side of the movement yeah like a traditional Rebel that you would imagine exactly like no we have to do like we you know they go low we go lower like that's how we got to run away we got to get out of here and she's like no no no like let's just keep our heads down you know let's survive get away with what we can but she's not out there wanting to yeah do the crazy rebellious stuff crazy I will put in air quotes um yeah so I feel like that's what makes her really unique I agree a realistic take I think on like how One of Us plucked down into that Society probably would more so act than an aen you know who's like out to get to take down the man you know it's like a lot of us probably just you know we're just trying to survive we're just putting our head in the sand you know like it's fine everything's fine but then like your little Act of just surviving build up and then you know but I think it does take also like a certain personality type and a certain like relatability to the people and like Charisma also and I think that's one a lot of other reasons that made her special specifically but to her she was just being her yeah that's it she wasn't trying to be anything but herself yeah she wasn't putting on airs no she wasn't she really wasn't even though they really wanted her to she was good at it which I loved too that they harped on that mhm so so yeah so my least favorite part um that I put about book one was I put the weird quote unquote love story that Peta just got way too invested in and so it's like I mean you guys know me I love a good story like you know but I think that I just you know if I had to pick a least favorite part yeah I loved every bit of this book but that's what I would have chosen mostly because like I understood that you know they were trying to make them more relatable they were trying to get them you know sponsors and whatnot so that you know they would survive I feel like just at times it was a little bit too much like we get it Peta like you know like you you you really like her she doesn't really know how to feel about you I don't really I'm not super invested in this at this point um and so for me if I had to pick something that I didn't like it would just be like if they cut out the the pining on peta's part I would have survived yeah I mean I agree but also with the fact that they're 17 it's a nice reminder yeah that they're kids they're 17 like imagine what were we like back you know is like we were pining and desperate and on death store it's our last moment you know so while it's kind of annoying it's like you're on death store any day now like give it up you're trying to survive here it's also like well now's your chance and that's kind of why he did it cuz it's like he's had this crush on her forever and now he's finally going to do something about it and you know that's why in the movies it read so much different to me than actually reading it I didn't have that context of him really loving her forever you know so yeah and I mean he definitely like I said I had a very different perception of him the first time that I read it and watched the movies where I was very like oh my God he's so annoying like insufferable and this time around like you know he's just a kind good person yeah who is trying to survive in his own way and stay true to himself and you know that he talks about that a lot in the movie and in the books just about how he his acts of resistance it's almost like you know this is one of the things that I really really really like about The Hunger Games that I feel like lots of times people try to say that the love story isn't necessary yeah and while I didn't love a lot of the like pining that happens in book one as the Love Story evolves This Love Triangle evolves it becomes really clear that or at least it did to me that you know Gail represents the very radical standpoint that we have to go out and do something physically do something to win this war right whereas Peta represents that it's also important to have passive acts of rebellion yeah um yeah to you know giving the bread you know giving yeah giving the bread giving what you can do like he represents to me you know he's a cake decorator he's a painter he is he's the philosopher he's the artist of rebellion exactly through our literal human history that's equally I would argue impactful and important m to the movement in general because if it's all just fighting and War then what are we left with in the end and I think that you know obviously we don't want to go into books two and three but I think that the symbolism there between the two characters Gail and Peta is very important yes it's not just a love story that's not just what it's about yeah um so even though like I said didn't love all the pining in book one it really was vital I think to the plot in the end yeah so who's your favorite character so I mean we talked about catness and I don't usually like to like just say oh obviously the main character we're all supposed to love I don't know because I feel like you know she could be not like lovable yeah you know um you know I already mentioned all the reasons why I loved her um because she's just so much more relatable than some other characters I guess I mean every FMC we can find some relation to but yeah um yeah I loved her and then um Cena her stylist senol he was awesome I have like I have hopes I'm saying this as a book reader for book one this is what I wrote down before I read anything else at all for book one like coming off of this I'm like I hope we see some more of senna because I think there's something there with like maybe some resistance or something boiling something something's up with that mhm he was very he stood out he was very kind to her out of all the stylist like yeah he didn't seem as superficial you know so I'm like hm wonder what's going on with that yeah absolutely what about you who is your favorite character I put the same thing catniss was my favorite character in book one for sure yeah um yeah very relatable on a lot of different levels yeah and I think it's just as simple as that yeah you know she's relatable but also like inspiring I feel like in a lot of ways um because she does the hard things that I think that a lot of us think if we were put in a position like hers we wouldn't be able to do but I think that a lot of us would be able to do it we just fortunately haven't been put in her position mhm um so yeah cat I like that she's humble in not like a fake way you know when they're like you know talking about her shooting and stuff and she's like yeah I'm all right like I mean she doesn't really have anything to compare it to you know she doesn't think of herself as this high and mighty warrior she's like I'm probably going to die you know I'm going to try my best not to but she's not coming in there like C you know who's like I got this she's like this is I'm there's only one Victor come on what do I have to offer I have no training I'm malnourished you know yeah well and it's like you know hitch being the only one who has ever won from District 12 and he's a drunk that's supposed to help me great yeah I mean he would be if I had to pick like a second favorite character who's not Katniss it would probably be heage for sure yeah yeah yeah she's not insufferable you know she's like and cuz there's there's a way to be humble and like annoying about it yeah I mean I mean to to bring it back around to popular books I mean I would definitely say that you know Selena and thrown of glass pretty much had that vibe in the beginning you know yeah yeah so there's there's a way to do it you know but I feel like it's also like I mean who talks about it throughout the whole series snow does what is more what did he say what is more powerful than fear hope yeah and I think you know obviously it's like we know that that's what Katniss is supposed to symbolize but it's like she doesn't even really I think realize that yeah yeah it's like not cuz she's just surviving yeah that's all you have the capacity for I think in that situation is just to survive yeah that's what and they that's by Design By Design yeah because you cannot you don't have the energy time resources mental capacity to rise up if literally day in and day out you have to spend all day trying to figure out how to find food yeah you know basic necessities a lot of like I have a couple quotes we'll share quotes at the end um and the ones that I CH specifically are about that so yeah um so who's your least favorite character of uh book one that's that's always kind of hard because there's they're obviously there for pulling the plot along and they need we need to have villains and stuff I feel like we're supposed to and I did at first hate cat and his partner cuz they're annoying and like you know the ones from the district that always wins or whatever boot they're boot lickers right you know they're suck-ups to the capital and so that's kind of annoying and they're they have an advantage of winning over everybody else who's starving so you want to hate them but gosh did I like change my mind at the mut scene that was brutal you know and and her having to hear his cries and her even changing her mind like remembering this is a person too like this because she's never which I also appreciate about Katniss is she never wanted to kill anybody you know these people don't they I mean other than like the blood thirst you know wanting to win like she stayed true to that like only having to kill when it was like a defense and for her to even remember that Kat is also just a person to Mercy In the End mercy and and he was begging for mercy like it's so sad and even as readers to have to go through that cuz it's so easy to like you know jump on the Van Wagon of hate and like you know we roast stuff here all the time but yeah it was it was sad and then and then off we don't get to see much of Snowden in this one snow Snowden sorry I typoed we don't get to see a lot of President Snow yet but obviously like oh no no hang on forget it because obviously we don't see a lot of him you know who I hate the most in this book sorry who peta's mother she's miserable mother I forgot cuz at the end of my notes cuz I remembered you know she's abusive to the kids and a POS you know yeah so obviously again that needed to be there we don't get much of her but from what I know the war goes to her to sum up what about you who's your least um well I was going to say it just in response to how you know as a reader we're supposed to dislike yeah KO and uh I don't remember the girl from his just District um but you know we're meant to dislike them as a reader but then it's like I felt like that was symbolic too I think that's what makes these books so impactful is that it's like that's what the capital wants yes they want you guys they're pinning you guys each other against each other on purpose right so you don't rise up together yeah exactly it's like it's that's why they're there because we as a reader are supposed to determine no we're all on the same side and that's what she symbolized with ru's death yeah exactly yeah is like oh yeah yeah like we should be working together we're all being oppressed by the same Force yep they want us to you know have like fighting amongst ourselves so that we don't turn on them yeah Etc so yeah I wanted to just make sure to say that before I move on to the next thing for sure um so I put for my least favorite character snow question mark but really that means is the capital yeah and so it's this like it's not necessarily a character but it's an idea you know of essentially like an all ruling government that is really corrupt yeah um so I would say that would have been my least favorite character because it I mean it takes on a lot of personality traits really yeah does so that's what I put because it's like snow as crappy as he is one man did not create yeah all the problems yeah so you know mhm we can't just blame it all on him so okay how did this book make you feel I feel like you know we're we're talking about that the whole time but if you had to sum it up yeah this book is a a book of feelings for sure book of you saw for my horrible um unscripted review it made me feel everything you know it made made me examine parallels of social structures and injustices in our own world so it it was just was really chilling and yeah very emotional read you know yeah you feel it's like you definitely you don't have time to recover a lot of times either and I think that that was also intentional yeah I think that it wouldn't have been as impactful if these books were very long and drawn out and Katniss walked to the stream and she filtered the water it's not that kind of these aren't those kinds of books yeah um so I feel like you know you're feeling the highs you're feeling the lows you're getting attached to these characters really quickly because everything's moving along so fast you're getting attached to the characters really quickly you're losing them really quickly you're upset you you know it's like you're experiencing everything it almost feels like in real time with Katniss as she's going through it and so I feel like it's like what you're saying feeling the gamut of emotions because you're you have to you feel like you're in it yeah and so that's how it made me feel just um really really invested yeah which I feel like is not necessarily rare but in the way that this book makes you feel invested I feel like that is rare cuz it's an intensity that not everything has ruse's death is a perfect example cuz we don't actually get that much time with her in their relationship and yeah the way I was sobbing with that is such a testament to Miss Suzanne Collins for getting us so quickly emotionally involved with the character and being able to sob like that because we read a lot of books in general and a lot of them fail to be able to make an impactful death mean something for us reader 100% I mean like constantly we're constantly reading books it's like oh someone died okay moving on I want to feel something I want to be sobbing with my books I just do okay call it's weird but like we want our hearts ripped out and we spent such little time like one chapter with this character and I'm balling and every death you know even I was dying when or dying I was crying when he was dying because it was like so horrific you know even though you didn't like him 5 seconds ago you get to remember yeah this is just another person and a kid at that and a kid a child yeah yeah yeah so finishing up book one were there any like unanswered questions that you wanted you know like that you needed more information about yeah the wolf hybrids like what the hell was that yeah like the fact that they had like the eyes of the like dead Tri did she kind of make that up in her mind and the state of her psyche that it was at that point or not were they harvested from the you know tributes tributes that was crazy what the f what I mean I think it was just a good example of like yeah I had a lot of questions about a lot of stuff you know it's hard for me to really like remember because I read them so long ago but like really it's the perfect ending to the first book in a series really because it leaves you on a cliffhanger it leaves you wanting to know more obviously where is this going what's going toen with the Rebellion like you know you have those Eerie feelings that something's not right because technically it's a happy ending yeah technically yeah I mean it's not really happy for anyone except for people in the capital but however if you're just to look at it in a really simple black and white kind of way her and Peta both lived yeah they are now both super rich yeah they get to go back to District 12 where they can take care of their families and their friends and live in the Victor's Village and that's the ending yeah but you don't feel the sense of you don't feel necessarily happy because she does a really good job of leaving you with that Fury unsettled feeling that no obviously she outsmarted people who aren't supposed to get outsmarted and don't like being outsmarted especially not by some lowly peasant from District 12 um and so you definitely feel that like there are ominous things coming but we're not necessarily at this point sure what that means yeah I mean it got way worse than we thought it could have you know um so I think yeah I mean tons of an answer questions but nothing that left me feeling unsatisfied confused frustrated just excited to literally like I mean it took like every ounce of um like self-restraint I had to sit there and write the notes for book one before moving immediately into reading book two yeah for sure so yeah it was great I feel like yeah I mean would you say that you agree like yeah totally yeah yeah totally totally nothing like annoyingly unanswered no and I'm sure you were excited to read the second one I mean dude the way I believe it was the second one that I was supposed to stop reading it and read Onyx storm which we have now I'll put our reaction video out for if you want to hear our thoughts and so with that with onx storm I might have mentioned on a previous podcast at like uh it was late to be delivered from marn& Noble like almost a week I ended up being able to get it on Libby first pre-orders the first 100 pages I could get on Libby and I just knew with the way Iron flame was I didn't want multiple copies I wasn't going to go buy another one and or whatever yeah so whatever so and I had Hunger Games to read so I was like well shoot so let me just start the second since I have like two days and then it didn't come in two days so like fine I'll download the first 100 Pages like sample for Onyx storm and I'm start reading it and I'm like every time I hit my head hit the pillow I'm like but I could read Hunger Games yeah and so I eventually just read that all of that and then went back to Onyx store CU like how could you not I did the same thing I read book one I don't remember like why I did it this way I read book one I think just cuz I couldn't wait cuz I already knew what I was getting into and I hadn't done a reread of these ever and so I was really excited so um I read book one and then I was like okay you got to pump the brakes to read onx storm but then your Ro reward will be to read B basically binge read two three and four all in a row yeah um so yeah I put a pause after book one to read onx storm um and then went back to Hunger Games afterwards but I was so excited to read it was very it was a mind over matter situation for sure yeah so do you have any notable quotes that you want to share I was actually reading a physical copy this time which is rare for me but I'm not an annotator so therefore I didn't prepare do you have any I'm sure there's like a million notable quotes mine focused more so on that idea that we were talking about before because I feel like this is a concept that a lot of us are really really familiar with in real life but this is um you know blown up in a different proportion obviously for a lot of people not for everyone but for a lot of people this idea that what would we do with our lives what potential could we have what wonderful things could we create if we were not essentially all for forced to work to survive as much as we have to right so the quote is what must it be like I wonder to live in a world where food appears at the Press of a button how would I spend the hours I now commit to to combing the woods for sustenance if it were so easy to come by what do they knew all day these people in the capital besides decorating their bodies and waiting around for a new shipment of tributes to roll in and die for their entertainment yeah I remember that yeah that one well so that one was like part one of um that quote and then her perspective as it changes as the story moves along no more fear of hunger a new kind of freedom but then what what would my life be like on a daily basis most of it has been consumed with the acquisition food take that away and I'm not really sure who I am and what my identity is yeah yeah cuz that's all they get you just have to survive you don't get to do any you don't get to think about anything else you don't get to think about who you are yeah yeah so definitely puts it into like a lot of perspective I think but those were two that I picked out because I I feel like that theme was very important yeah the one that like really sticks out to me that is when Katniss sneaks up onto the roof which is an act of defiance on its own you know sneaks up onto the roof that's open and peta's up there and he's it's the night before they're sent into the Hunger Games and he's like we get to really SE see like the real him I think at this point this is like our first true picture of him without flashbacks and stuff and he says to Katniss no when the time comes I'm sure I'll just kill like everybody else CU they're in that discussion I can't go down without a fight only I keep wishing I could think of a way to to show the C Capital they don't own me that I'm more than just a piece in their games and that like really stuck with catniss MH that like helped kind of build up like a piece of who she is and what you know she kept coming back to mulling over but wasn't fully like embracing at that point she was just like okay you're ridiculous like you're just like Gail well and I think yeah but I think it's also like important to to note that it's exactly what we were talking about before because on surface level it looks like Peta and Gail are Polar Opposites but they're really not yeah in a lot of ways they have the same exact belief system it's just they're acting it out in a different way yeah and so I think that that was a moment where as you say like we're really seeing what's underneath the layers with Peta cuz we're seeing the you know very like surface level what he wants everyone else to see of him yeah so yeah I appreciated that a lot too I thought that was really impactful and important yep so you know I just put a little note on here to I mean I feel like we've pretty we've covered a lot of it but the dystopian themes that were really important in this particular book or part of the story yeah so for me obviously I think the biggest one that stands out is this idea of kind of total government control um you know resource hoing yeah um and just kind of like this shift from it's yeah it's total government control I think that would be like the main dystopian theme in this book because right now like we don't really have much of we don't have a rebellion going on yet we don't have anything like that it's just all this idea that it's a post-apocalyptic World in which all of our individual kind of like our autonomy has been taken away or even like you know some people would argue that like even in a society that we're living in now we don't necessarily have a whole lot of individual like you know autonomy but we do have a lot more than they have yeah um and this idea that you know you're told when to go to work for how long you live in fear mhm of repercussions of not doing that yep yeah um yeah scarcity y creating horizontal hostility mhm I would say those would be like the dystopian themes that I would pick out of that yeah so for me I wrote down right off of getting off of this book don't try to disrupt the powers that bees Illusions mhm yeah it's just like all it's a it's for all of our Wicked lovers it's a Wizard of Oz situation you know it's all what's going on behind the curtain mhm yeah so don't try to knock down what they've in any way and that's what cat represents the possibility of destroying that illusion and get bringing the people kind of waking the people up MH you know yeah cuz it's been so long I think that's another thing that's really important too to remember is that it's like we're not just coming off of the war here yeah we've had you know we'll say 74 years or however long I don't know exactly but yeah like 74 years of time for not only the capital to get stronger by extracting essentially like almost free resources out of all of the people um but we've also had 74 years for those for generations to change and for people to become complacent in a lot of ways and I put on here desensitizing citizens yeah with among so many things with The Hunger Games like with everything it's just the status quo it's the status quo not and dispersing of citizens separating them yeah pitting them against each other other um and not to blame them for that not like to say that's your fault you know that you're desensitized it's just the way that it is as time passes and Things become normalized and you're shown media that supports the capital's agenda Etc yeah totally um so yeah I feel like those would be the dystopian themes specifically in this book yep okay okay okay I got a surprise question okay okay just we'll lighten it up a little bit okay he yeah just in case you guys are like wao this is heavy I mean it is we do lean into a lot of Comedy here but also when the time comes like you know we started off with the giant piano but we like to you guys into like freaking depression okay so now we're going to lighten it back up again you know because that's life that's Showbiz baby yep okay so surprise question okay okay if you were pulled for The Hunger Games what would your secret Talent be oh my God that you would hope would help you win the Hunker games listen Aral right now you know you're not F you're not a vampire you a yeah just a regular old person um well so here's where I struggle with this am I particularly athletic no um am I particularly good at like figuring out uh puzzles also no I really struggle with this because I feel like as talented as I like to think that I am in certain areas really I don't know how applicable that would be you got to find something in the arena well okay here we go thought something funny go ahead so you know cuz it's like I can run but I'm not that fast yeah you could just like you could just keep running in circles so they can't catch up to you or they'll get tired they yeah I could wear maybe yeah um no I was just going to say so so we grew up with um a so Ashley and I grew up in the karna so we lived nearby lots of water so a lake a river the Kern River is fairly dangerous for anyone who chooses to Google it whatever we also had a pool in our backyard so okay this is going to be my skill and for anyone who's read all the books you know that water becomes somewhat significant moving forward I can tread water for a long time okay well in this hunger game it's a stream so you got to pick something that's all I have that's that's all you're going just paddle on the well know I was going to say cuz that would really help me out in the future there is a lake that surrounded you're right there is a lake so you could just stay out there Treading Water days without them seeing you and shooting you like with an arrow or something what if I stole the arrows and they didn't have any are you stealthy I am not that stealthy yeah I guess your best bet is go out in the middle of the lake hope you don't drown yourself on accident you can float for a while I was going to say though no it's like literally something my dad like had us do as kids before he agreed to let me um swim in the pool when my parents weren't home cuz you know we were children of the early 2000 latch key kids right so um he made me tread water for a really long time I mean you know that's good that's a good physical like endurance skill try try it out other than that okay so if so that's in if we're looking at Hunger Games book one the arena that we're in where it's mostly like basically there is a lake there is a lake I forgot so you would be fine you can go on the lake and you can Shad water that's good I just yeah I mean that's all I've got you hope they can't see you is all I mean maybe screwed they just need to come out there and drown you I mean but maybe they're not as good at swimming yeah yes that is that okay you know what listen do the other people know how to swim we don't know we don't know and you do so you're good yeah at least like I mean when when do they have time to swim all they have time to do is barely survive I know I just feel like I don't have a whole lot of outdoor survival skills I think that's your best bet Liz Just go with it I can build a fire yeah you just have to swim for a few days at a time and Float I just have to outlast I mean I might it might get cold at night hypothermia probably would die great so we're just working this out what else do I have I don't know I could Pro I'm a quiet person I could probably hide yeah I was going to say like could just get some jokes and lighten up the mood boom dead actually you know I okay not to toot my own horn or anything but I might be able to I think a skill that I might be able to actually utilize like all jokes aside I do think that being able to tread water for a long amount of time would be useful in certain circumstances but if we're like being real I do think that I've always had the ability to get along with a lot of different groups of people yeah so that might serve me well in this circumstance because I would be able to make alliances could do that and then towards like when it's getting a little low like peace out I'm going out until late day yeah you just go swim and just freaking tread water for the rest of the time until the last two people kill themsel kill each other you know Home Free although you are kind of screwed though if it's one left and they're just waiting for you to come back to shore oh my God yeah imagine well maybe like the elements or something might take them out yeah or me I mean cuz the game makers also they would be like tital wave dead I know they'd make you get out of the lake well you just did the best you could that's all right you know you don't have to win but you know I was just curious on your uh Talent well what would yours be um you know honestly I'd have to take a page out of peta's book and just become a tree or something stupid camouflage yeah camouflage because we have makeup skills yeah that's true I'm not that good at camouflage though maybe I don't know well I don't know maybe I am he did pretty good I feel like I never did well in like art classes in college I feel like it doesn't necessarily translate like the makeup thing doesn't necessarily translate the same way oh I think I could camouflage myself pretty good yeah maybe I me all you need to do is roll around in some mud and then hide in a tree I can't climb trees I can climb trees okay so I'm a little afraid of heights but as a kid I would climb trees a lot if you had to survive yeah you'd make it happen I'm not as Nimble is R so I definitely am not either though probably be my best bet that I could think of personally okay yeah we'll have to ask we'll have to ask you guys we're going to post a box we're going to ask you guys what your skill you think you possess that would help you get to the final people in The Hunger Games yeah secret find out what you guys have to say I am actually pretty good with bow and arrow huh yeah that's cool yeah I've never shot an animal or anything though that's kind of scary I'm really good at shooting targets with them that's good style bow so that's something just camouflage with a bow and when I need to it's becoming clear to me as we're having this conversation that perhaps I should learn something okay yeah some survival skill okay so we have wait I got one more oh no yeah listen because book one you know we did it with Edward and Jacob in Twilight okay we got to do it because there's a love triangle going on between PETA and Gail what team are you I mean and you know we're talking like catniss like you know whatever yeah cuz it's not smash or pass yeah they're all young but what team are youing BFF would I want to be at this point yeah um so at this point in book one I would be team Gail for sure same yeah yeah Peter is just a little bit too like as my sister and I would say he's a little meoo yeah if you guys have seen Liar Liar that's what it's from um it's like he's a just a little too nice and a little a little too blond it's not hyper but yeah um yeah to blonde much um whereas you know he he can hunt and he can fish and he he's just more manly even though he's like 17 or whatever um but as a high school girl like he would be the one you know I'd pick he's taller I guess Peta is supposed to be really strong but I mean we'll talk about that with the movies later on but yeah at this point I'd be team Gail yeah same feel like he brings a little more to the table and he's a good I mean they've been friends for a really long time that's another thing they have a long history and he is taking care of her family while she's gone like that right there is like if not husband material it's definitely like BFF material yeah yeah so we'll see we'll see if that stays the same in book two and we'll continue asking as time goes on as time goes on yeah see if it changes see if it stays the same mhm got any fun hunger game facts for us Liz I do okay so I found this one out out and again take these all with a grain of salt cuz I just you know we just Google these I don't know how true they are um but according to a website on the internet a website um Suzanne Collins named The Hunger Games after a rebellion where Rebels starved the capital by taking control of the food producing districts so the people of that Capital resorted to cannibalism to survive oh jeez so I thought that was kind of interesting it's kind of that concept you know that we talked about a little bit in the dystopian episode that kicked this all off you know where we mentioned um the handmaids tale and how you know it's kind of like one of those factoids people like to share where Margaret Atwood didn't put anything in the handmaid's tail that hadn't actually happened in real life at some point in history or time somewhere and so you know it's like Suzanne Collins I'm sure I mean I don't know because I haven't looked into this specifically but I can imagine most of this was probably inspired by in real life events too yeah yeah or imitates real life yeah reality yeah so anyway I feel like that wraps up the Hunger Games book one yeah there you go you guys that was a good conversation there you go if you would like to add anything to the conversation you want to tell us your favorite least favorite Parts what have you feel free to comment Down Below on the 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